tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73026480135505656152024-02-03T01:14:31.192+10:00Interpose MissionDiscussion of pseudoscience by Richard C. Hoagland, Mike Bara, Ancient Astronaut Theorists, etc.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7302648013550565615.post-88223709426072210192013-08-12T17:52:00.002+10:002013-08-12T17:52:23.283+10:00Oh THAT'S what Richard C, Hoagland is constantly hinting at!<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">I just read the <a href="http://www.enterprisemission.com/Curiosity-White-Crow.htm">latest of Richard C, Hoagland's 'papers' on the enterprisemission.com</a> and learned something new. No, I didn't learn anything REAL, just something I had not quite understood before about Richard C, Hoagland's claims:</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">For over twenty years,</span><em style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"> The Enterprise Mission </em><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">has pursued an extraordinary scientific and political hypothesis ....</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">That the Earth orbits the Sun, <em>not</em> as "the <em>only</em> lush oasis amid a host of lifeless other worlds ..." but as, potentially, the <em>lone planetary survivor</em> of a long-forgotten ancient solar system epoch, shaped by "an extraordinarily advanced, <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale#Type_II">Type II ET Civilization</a>" </em></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">[his link]</span><em style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"> </em><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">-- which, after literally</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"> </span><em style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">remaking</em><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"> </span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">this entire planetary system ... collapsed in a catastrophic, ancient War--</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">Leaving only scattered, arcane clues behind to its existence -- including, some evidence suggests, <em>the human race itself</em> ....</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Wow! That is so so so NOT a scientific hypothesis!!! To be a scientific hypothesis, there must be a phenomenon that needs explanation. In the early phase of the scientific method, one must determine which explanation is most reasonable. Occam's razor, anyone? Let us suppose that what we are trying to explain is the Face on Mars, which seems most likely a natural geologic feature of our solar system's fourth planet... ;)</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Despite Mr. Hoagland's claims to the contrary, the 'Face' on Mars and other formations do NOT present clear and compelling evidence of intelligent construction which would bring one to question 'who' built it. Mr. Hoagland can point to the mathematical relationships between features on the fourth planet, but what he has presented is really meaningless and cannot be construed as evidence of anything. (Wow, I didn't even read that part of Hoagland's paper before I mentioned this... I guess we can see where he's going)</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Now Mr. Hoagland thinks he has found more extraterrestrial arcology on Mars. Richard C, Hoagland has posited that the following feature is, in fact, a construction on Mars.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">When one examines this photo, it is easy to see an approximately regular form, but if you look at surrounding geologic forms, they also appear to have fairly sharp corners. That might be a clue that this, too, could be a natural landform.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">What we really see in Richard C, Hoagland's fanciful ideas is not a scientific hypothesis because he has yet to find a feature which we can feel very confident is not a natural landform. The fact of a hypothesis should be arising from some unexplained phenomena, but there is nothing to explain, except if the question is "what forces have acted upon this object to make it as we see it today", in which case the question is one for astrogeologists. The question is, emphatically, NOT whether our planet is the lone survivor of a long-forgotten ancient, extraordinarily advanced space-faring society, the remnants of an interplanetary war. :D</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">At least that's how I see it!</span></div>
Unknownnoreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7302648013550565615.post-47013830432282757032013-01-29T15:22:00.000+10:002013-01-29T15:22:11.688+10:00Stunning confirmation<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Okay, this post will be little more than a brief mention of a few issues I have with Mr. Richard C. Hoagland's "stunning confirmation" of torsion fields (aetheric fields, hyperdimensional physics) through his "experiment" with a 30+ year old wristwatch hooked up to his laptop computer (if you think my characterization is incorrect, read <a href="http://www.enterprisemission.com/Hyperdimensional-Eclipse.htm">this</a>). In the </span><a href="http://www.enterprisemission.com/mayantorsion.html" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">most recent article</a><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> on the Enterprise Mission website, an unidentified author (possibly Robin) runs through the most recent experimental confirmation of Hoagland's torsion field theory (*cough, cough*). :)</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">As Expat <a href="http://dorkmission.blogspot.com/2013/01/sorry-folks-no-refunds-rc-hoagland.html">points out</a>, Hoagland failed to get the proper permit to conduct his "experiment" on his recent trip to Mexico at Chichen Itza. Expat explains for the less worldly that such a permit very closely resembles a 500 peso "donation" (about $39). That being said, I'm not sure that it would have made much of a difference because there is no means of distinguishing experimental results that would tend to confirm Hoagland's hyperdimensional physics hypothesis. It turns out that Mr. Hoagland has never released baseline results that are not supposed to reflect unusual torsion/aetheric amplification (by a mountain, Coral Castle, Tikal). How are we to know that the results that Mr. Hoagland points to as confirmation is anything other than normal "noise" from his old wristwatch? :D</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">That being said, if one looks at the experimental results from Mr. Hoagland's three "stunning confirmations", it seems odd that they do not seem to have the same results. View these pictures of the results for <a href="http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/mayantorsion/image004.png">Coral Castle</a>, <a href="http://www.enterprisemission.com/Accutron-Teo-Pyramid-Sun-Dawn-4-22-09.jpg">Pyramid of the Sun</a>, <a href="http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/mayantorsion/image006.png">Tikal</a> and the <a href="http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/379359_10151752511650089_440541071_n.jpg">Annular Eclipse</a> to see what I mean. Mr. Hoagland really needs to show us what his device would read when it's not strongly affected by hyperdimensional torsion fields. Expat has gone into this <a href="http://dorkmission.blogspot.com/2012/05/minimum-science-hoagland-must-do.html">discussion</a>, including suggesting an experimental protocol to make sure that the results that Mr. Hoagland presents are actually showing something. My bigger issue is that Mr. Hoagland does not even have any apparent "field theory", so his "predictions" are usually along the lines that one would find something odd, rather than saying that his watch will specifically either speed up or slow down under certain defined conditions. Then there's just the fact that his experimental apparatus is probably not sophisticated enough to get decent results (old watch plugged into his laptop...). :S</span></div>
Unknownnoreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7302648013550565615.post-18911037735706016742013-01-06T12:26:00.002+10:002013-01-07T13:18:42.610+10:00The Face on Mars Farce<div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Sorry for the delay in this post. I am actually working on another post, which goes more into Richard C. Hoagland's <i><b>HYPERDIMENSIONAL PHYSICS</b></i> stuff, but I have gotten a bit bogged down in the minutia of its elements, so I will probably have to break up the subject into a few chunks. I was inspired by <a href="http://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/2013/01/01/podcast-59-the-face-on-mars-part-1/">Dr. Stuart Robbins</a> to go into my own views on The Face on Mars. Here it goes:</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br />
</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The Cydonia monument complex first came into the sites of indepedent researchers, including Richard C. Hoagland, NOT because of the many suspiciously building-like landforms (try none), but solely due to the so-called "Face on Mars". I considered not discussing The Face on Mars at all, but I realized that I have a few insights, even if I am not an astronomer, like Dr. Phil Plait (<a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy.html">his blog</a>) or Dr. Stuart Robbins (<a href="http://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/">his blog</a> and <a href="http://podcast.sjrdesign.net/">his podcast</a>).</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br />
</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">There are a few issues that I want to touch on about The Face: (a) the context of The Face in Cydonia (i.e., what is and isn't in Cydonia), (b) a few claims about The Face and (c) why I don't believe The Face is likely to be a construction.</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br />
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</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">As I pointed out in my previous post <a href="http://interposemission.blogspot.com/2012/12/hoaglands-martian-missive.html">"Hoagland's Martian Missive"</a>, Mr. Richard C. Hoagland's mathematical relationship model of the Cydonia region is unconvincing because its landmarks seem entirely arbitrary and may sometimes be absent. I believe that the simplest explanation for this is that there is no "complex", per se, just a bunch of landforms that have come into existence through natural processes. :S</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br />
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<div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">As one can see from the area surrounding what Hoagland calls the D&M "pyramid", that feature is clearly not outside the norm for natural landforms in that region. This should be perfectly clear from the photo I presented in my previous post (which I re-present above). Just as an aside, does anybody see "Mr. Kitty" mesa? It's just to the right of my compass. See, I can find images that don't exist in the topography, too! :D</span></div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br />
</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">There are bound to be the occasional "interesting" geometric relationship between various landforms on a planet. What I would find more interesting and compelling is if there is a clear repeating pattern with regular geometry. What we see in the "Hoagland-Torun" model is a number of haphazard geometric relationships. There are two big problems with this, as far as I can see: (a) you can choose to include or exclude any landform that you want and (b) there are many angular relationships that are allowed. These both greatly increase your odds of hitting "something wonderful", in Hoagland's words. ;)</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br />
</span></div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: large;">The Face or <i>The Faces</i>?</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br />
</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">As I mentioned in my previous post, the idea of The Face has evolved somewhat over time for Mr. Hoagland. It used to be a human face, pure and simple and eerily reminiscent of the enigmatic face of the Sphinx in Egypt. Here is the famous "catbox" image of The Face. That will come in useful to Mr. Kitty. (Update: Expat points out the image is not the catbox. The joke stands. That's really the only reason I referred to the catbox anyway.) :D</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br />
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</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The Face has gotten a lot more problematic as an explanation for what the feature in Cydonia is. There is a big issue that The Face is not bilaterally symmetrical, which means that, if you were to construct two photos by mirroring the left and right side of The Face, respectively, the two photos would not look the same, whereas a human face would, more or less. :-)</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br />
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</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Richard C. Hoagland responded to this problem by moving the goalposts. Instead, he has pointed to artwork on Earth that depicts a "face" that is half man and half animal on the left and right sides an seems to suggest that is what The Face depicts. :0</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br />
</span></div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: large;">The Face is NOT <u>a face</u></span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br />
</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">I do not buy into the idea that The Face is a face, nor a construction. The Face does not look like a face, despite the early claims that there was an eyeball, a nostril, a tear, pupil, teeth (HT: Dr. Robbins). It escapes me why an advanced alien civilization (that is presumably human or extremely anthropomorphic) would produce a large-scale artwork representing a person (on at least half of The Face) and leave out the eyeball and made a very indistinct representation. One might say that there was considerable erosion, but I doubt it could wipe out all the detail on such a monumental-sized head. The same could go for the other side, whatever creature it represents. ;)</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br />
</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">But I also find it difficult to accept that such a construction would be made on a desolate part of Mars without signs of a civilization surrounding it. There is nothing in the landscape surrounding the Face on Cydonia that screams, "I'm a building." The City, as Hoagland calls it, looks like it's a natural rock formation, as does the D&M pyramid. It seems odd to postulate an advanced society, even transient, that would use natural rock not only for monumental constructions, similar to Mt. Rushmore, but also for the housing that would be needed for any labor force that is based in Cydonia. And if you use the "maybe they lived on spacecraft" argument, one would have to wonder why they would go the the trouble of building The Face when Cydonia would have been little more than a temporary encampment.</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br />
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</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Whatever criticisms I may have of Mr. Richard C. Hoagland, he is interesting. I am usually interested in hearing him speak because he has at least a basic understanding of some science. He espouses plenty of strange ideas, himself, but occasionally is the voice of reason, compared with many interesting people who get involved with UFOs, conspiracies, etc. :D</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br />
</span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">I enjoy Mr. Hoagland's work, even as I find some of his evidence and hypotheses suspect. At the same time, there is a danger when people get taken in by any mistaken ideas. I urge anyone who follows conspiracies or "alternative" science (pseudoscience) to always be on guard and don't take the claims seriously. The chances of outlandish claims to be true are really quite low.</span></div><br />
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">In the 1970s, the Viking mission buzzed a region of Mars and discovered "The Face." Mr. Richard C. Hoagland did not coin the phrase, although he did popularize and write a book on "The Face" and a number of other features in the region known as Cydonia in his 1987 book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Monuments-Mars-City-Edge-Forever/dp/1583940545"><i>The Monuments of Mars: A City on the Edge of Forever</i></a> (now in its 5th edition). Since then, Mr. Hoagland has made a career of making unusual and interesting (to put it very politely) claims about Mars and other bodies in the solar system (Phobos, the Earth's Moon, the rings of Saturn, a few meteors, a few other moons). :)</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Above is a 2001 shot of "The Face", with the frame aligned to north-south (I cropped this one down from the original). Mr. Hoagland's first take on "The Face", which he held to for quite a while, is that "The Face" is clearly a face and nothing else (like a natural landform). Since those early days, Mr. Hoagland has hinted that either "The Face" may or may not be a face but is definitely a building or that it could be two half faces (one human, one lion), kinda like the last page in MAD Magazine (in this <a href="http://www.enterprisemission.com/catbox.htm">article</a>). What, me worry? :D</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Before he'd made his kinda-sorta about-face on this issue (pun definitely intended), Mr. Hoagland began to spin an expanded story about the region of Cydonia. The region of Cydonia is filled with artificial constructions and... there is a super top secret code that <i>only</i> Mr. Hoagland could figure out!!! :O</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Okay, so what are the claims exactly? (a) There are *special* geometric relationships among the different buildings in Cydonia, which points to the peculiar characteristics of a true pyramid inscribed inside a circle, (b) the geometry revealed in the Cydonia region hints at (all too subtly for those scientists who work out their math to n dimensions) <i style="font-weight: bold;">hyperdimensional physics</i> (consider that an echoing phrase), and </span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">(c) in a sphere with a true pyramid inscribed inside where a vertice is set to true north/south and the other vertices are at points at 19.5ish degrees north/south, which is üb</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">er-wichtig (super important) und... I mean "and", as it turns out... but more on this later (all in English, I promise).</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Cydonia and portions thereof are claimed by Richard C. Hoagland to have buildings and monumental architecture all over the place. I have yet to find one feature that looks like a building. Since I already showed "The Face", I think another major feature, according to Hoagland would be in order. Here is the "D&M Pyramid" and the surrounding topography (cropped and rotated from the original):</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The "D&M Pyramid" (a five-side pyramid) is just above my direction finder in about the center of the photo. There are quite a few similar mountains in the area, each of which are more or less free-standing. Mr. Hoagland is quite sure that the "pyramid" was built by the previous inhabitants of Mars. Sure, why not? He finds some geometric relationships in the "pyramid" which he think indicates artificiality. Many years ago Dr. Ralph Greenberg, a professor of mathematics at the University of Washington pointed out that, "It is not even clear that it ever had five well-defined corners or a true apex" (<a href="http://www.math.washington.edu/~greenber/DMPyramid.html">source</a>). I am not sure that you can even get anything that looks bilaterally symmetrical when you look at the "pyramid." I suppose it depends on how much you are willing to bend your perception to "see it". In other words, it depends on pareidolia. :D</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Which brings us to the bigger issue... the Cydonia monuments/buildings "complex". Mr. Hoagland shows a very complicated geometric relationship which supposedly exists between a number of features in the region (you can see the photo <a href="http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/hyper/cyd-geom.jpg">here</a>). Phil Plait from Bad Astronomy (<a href="http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/hoagland/city.html">here</a>) and Dr. Greenberg (<a href="http://www.math.washington.edu/~greenber/DMPyramid.html">here</a>) have both pointed out that the claims of accuracy cannot hold much water. The geometric relationships are based on earlier photos from NASA (I have yet to find an update where Mr. Hoagland reconfirms the relationships based on higher resolution pictures) and whatever means of measuring Mr. Hoagland used has its own range of error. Even more important, as both point out, Mr. Hoagland was able to pick and choose which relationships to represent. The following is a newer photo from ESA:</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">If you notice, this is the Cydonia region. I just cropped the image and drew a few lines and circles on it. The green circle toward the top is "The Face", the blue circle is around the "D&M Pyramid", the yellow circle is around the area Hoagland usually refers to as "The City". In this photo, I tried to reproduce the most prominent triangle in Hoagland's geometric relationship "model". Two points are on the pyramid and the face, respectively, and the other says "city" but doesn't really seem to be on any feature. I could go a bit deeper, but I'm not sure there's a point. Since there wasn't anything I could hang my hat on for The City, I just made a circle for where the feature should be, if there were an equilateral triangle as Mr. Hoagland's picture represents. A triangle really has to have three vertices. :)</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Mr. Richard C. Hoagland has made a number of claims about hyperdimensional physics. This can be quite a broad and wide-ranging discussion, so I will set it aside for a future post. Instead, focus on what Mr. Hoagland says about hyperdimensional physics:</span></div>
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Hoagland's Geometric Relationship Model for Cydonia -- with its potential for quantification and testing of the foundations of the "intelligence hypothesis" itself, in the form of specific predictions made by the Hyperdimensional Physics theory derived from that alignment Model -- has clearly stepped to the forefront of the debate over the artificiality of Cydonia of late. Because of this quantifiable basis for the Model, the Face itself ("But, what does it look like?") has been relegated to a secondary, "confirmatory" status -- rather than the linch-pin around which all decisions vis-à-vis the artificiality of Cydonia must (or should) be anchored. (<a href="http://www.enterprisemission.com/catbox.htm">source</a>) (HT Phil Plait)</div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Note that Hoagland says "the hyperdimensional physics theory derived from that alignment model". So he admits that basically "The Message of Cydonia" is not a stunning confirmation of Hoagland's hyperdimensional physics theory, but the basis of the theory (or hypothesis). I think I may have heard him say that the relationship on Cydonia is confirmation of the theory, but, if he did, that would be an error due to recursive logic. Hoagland developed his hypothesis by looking at the Cydonia relationship, so he can't test using that because, by definition, it will fit. It is kinda funny that one of his findings is that 19.5ish North and South are very important, but no point on the Cydonia region is at 19.5ish degrees North or South. :O</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">19.5ish Nord und Sud sind </span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">üb</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">er-wichtig</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Entschuldigung... I mean I'm sehr sorry f</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">ü</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">r regressing to Deutsch. Mr. Hoagland generally skips ahead when he begins talking about hyperdimensional physics to how everything important/interesting in the solar system seems to be at 19.5 degrees north or south. Only problem is... they aren't. As Expat, Stuart Robbins and Phil Plait have all pointed out many times, not too many "important" features are actually found at 19.5 degrees north or south anywhere. :D</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">On his original "Message of Cydonia" paper, Richard C. Hoagland lists 15 features in the solar system. Of those, he only claims that one of them is "at" 19.5 degrees... Alta Regio, which is a volcanic region that covers a large expanse of the planet. As Stuart Robbins has <a href="http://podcast.sjrdesign.net/shownotes_026.php">pointed out</a> on his podcast <a href="http://podcast.sjrdesign.net/index.html">Exposing PseudoAstronomy</a>, it's a little odd to point to a large region where that latitude crosses and say that the whole region is "explained" by that hyperdimensional latitude of 19.5. In fact, Mr. Hoagland was selling himself short because Mauna Loa's location easily rounds to 19.5. The rest of the "hits" just aren't very good, even by Hoagland's rounding (although everything seems to round to 19.5 when Hoagland is on Coast to Coast AM, if I am to believe second-hand reports by Expat and others).</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">One thing that kinda gets at me is why Mr. Hoagland says that a true pyramid inside a sphere is important, but will allow just any points on 19.5 north or south to be considered a hit. Pyramids with their apexes at 90 degrees North or South have only three other points which they will "hit". Additionally, if you have one point at 0 degrees East, then the other two will be at 120 degrees West and East, so there is a defined relationship. What's Mr. Hoagland's model if 19.5 (potentially) is "important" at all degrees of longitude? A cone inscribed in a sphere. But if we're talking a true pyramid, t</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">here should only be 6 chances for a hit, right?</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">I have a suggestion for Mr. Hoagland: if the pyramid inscribed in a sphere is very important, I have a way to double your chance of hitting "something wonderful"... consider calling the point on the surface of a sphere which has the same slope as the edge of the pyramid a "harmonic convergence" or something like that.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">As I stated earlier, Mr. Hoagland says that the Martians have left us a message in Cydonia. Why can't I read it? Apparently, I need a secret decoder ring, which Mr. Hoagland sells. He's the man who understands all of this. He knows of a special hyperdimensional physics which will unlock our human potential. Free energy? You got it! Torsion fields (whatever those are supposed to be)? You got it! Hyperdimensional astrology (the real, scientific astrology)? You got it! Explaining natural disasters? Hyperdimensional physics is all over it!</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">If there is a message on Mars which will transform our world, it probably hasn't been found yet. The message of Cydonia, even if it were real, is a pretty oblique communique. Best wait until we find the Great Library of Cydonia before we begin reading goat entrails on the surface of Mars.</span></div>
Unknownnoreply@blogger.com7tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7302648013550565615.post-9922026602969236142012-12-08T12:08:00.004+10:002012-12-08T12:08:37.087+10:00Martian Apartment-Hunting<div style="text-align: justify;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The esteemed researcher Richard C. Hoagland of Enterprise Mission has just made an astonishing discovery on Mars.<span style="font-size: small;"> </span>Somehow the folks at NASA/JPL missed this one: apartments on Mars!</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">NASA has recently announced the discovery of <span style="font-size: small;">a few <span style="font-size: small;">organic molecules<span style="font-size: small;">. It turns out to be<span style="font-size: small;"> a little more boring that it sounds. <span style="font-size: small;">They m<span style="font-size: small;">ay have been <span style="font-size: small;">conta<span style="font-size: small;">mination from<span style="font-size: small;"> <span style="font-size: small;">the Curiosity lander<span style="font-size: small;">, but they might not... there may be more on this in the future. <span style="font-size: small;">Mr. Hoagland is super ex<span style="font-size: small;">cited about thi<span style="font-size: small;">s. Richard Hoagland thinks that <span style="font-size: small;">NASA knows that <span style="font-size: small;">life <span style="font-size: small;">has/does ex<span style="font-size: small;">is<span style="font-size: small;">t(ed) on Mars (and the moon)<span style="font-size: small;">, but that we'd all freak out if we found out right now<span style="font-size: small;">, so little <span style="font-size: small;">bread c<span style="font-size: small;">rumbs are being laid out to ma<span style="font-size: small;">ke it so when the peop<span style="font-size: small;">le are finally told, they won't <span style="font-size: small;">panic (<span style="font-size: small;">ala War of the Worlds radio broadcast). :S</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The picture from Wikipedia look<span style="font-size: small;">s <span style="font-size: small;">MORE like apartments than the pic from Mars... In fact, <span style="font-size: small;">as Hoa<span style="font-size: small;">gland points out, the area is called Shaler. Maybe that's a hint at what kind of formations NASA thin<span style="font-size: small;">ks is there. For those who don't know, shale is a <span style="font-size: small;">sedimentary rock. <span style="font-size: small;">Expat w<span style="font-size: small;">ent into this a lit<span style="font-size: small;">tle bi<span style="font-size: small;">t in his blog post<span style="font-size: small;"> <a href="http://dorkmission.blogspot.com/2012/12/hoagland-confused-about-everything.html">"Hoagland confused about everything, including h</a><span style="font-size: small;"><a href="http://dorkmission.blogspot.com/2012/12/hoagland-confused-about-everything.html">is o<span style="font-size: small;">wn </span>copyright"</a>. :)</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: black; color: white;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">In 2010, Richard C. Hoagland, the man most known for popularizing the "Face on Mars" through his book </span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><i><a href="http://www.amazon.com/The-Monuments-Mars-Forever-Edition/dp/1583940545/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1354370042&sr=8-1&keywords=the+monuments+of+mars">The Monuments of Mars: A City on the Edge of Forever</a> </i>(note the Star Trek episode reference), produced a two-part essay </span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">(paper) </span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">called </span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">"For the World is Hollow ... and I Have Touched the Sky!" </span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">(read Part I </span><a href="http://www.enterprisemission.com/Phobos.html" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">here</a><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> and Part II </span><a href="http://www.enterprisemission.com/Phobos2.html" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">here</a><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">)</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> on his website </span><a href="http://www.enterprisemission.com/"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><i>Enterprise Mission</i></span></a><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> asserting that Phobos, one of the moons of Mars, is a spaceship</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">. In fact, Mr. Hoagland asserts that it is a tetrahedral spaceship (more on this later), which would show that those Martians were just obsessive about making structures that hint at hyperdimensional physics (at least in Mr. Hoagland's mind)! Just to demonstrate this is not made up, Mr. Hoagland says in Part II, "Phobos is, also--an ancient '</span><i style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">tetrahedral</i><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> spaceship!'" (emphasis his) :)</span></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: black; color: white; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Anyone who follows Richard Hoagland's career and different claims should be aware that this sort of thing is Mr. Hoagland's stock-in-trade. Mr. Hoagland claims that lots of different phenomena in the solar system have extraterrestrial technology/structures. The moon has glass domes, Mars has its tetrahedral pyramids/mounds/structures, "The Face" exists (or more recently an obviously artificial structure). Try to set this aside as the evidence regarding Phobos is presented. Phobos is not the Earth's Moon and it is not Cydonia (the region of Mars with "The Face"), so even if Mr. Hoagland is wrong about those, it does not mean he is necessarily wrong about Phobos. But I'm pretty sure he is wrong on all counts. :D</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">There are four main pieces of evidence which Richard Hoagland presents to support his claim that Phobos is a spacecraft: (a) he states that Phobos has a shape like the asteroid Steins, which he says is shaped "<i>exactly like a classic diamond</i>!" (emphasis his, contained in Part II); (b) he points to the striations (grooves) in Phobos; (c) he points to the hollowness of Phobos (25-35% of Phobos is "empty" or void); and (d) he points to the "monolith" on Phobos.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">When the makers of Star Wars were creating the second movie, <i>The Empire Strikes Back</i>, the Industrial Light and Magic (ILM) used potatoes for some of the asteroids in the movie (<a href="http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2010/12/empire-building-making-of-empire.html">article on making of <i>The Empire Strikes Back</i></a>). One of the main theories of the origin of Phobos is that it was an asteroid that is captured by Mars. It just happens to be true that Phobos has a striking resemblance to something we are familiar with: a potato.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">If you notice from above, Mr. Hoagland plays a little hot potato (pun intended) in his claim about Phobos. He states that the asteroid Steins is shaped like a "classic diamond" (read: tetrahedral geometry) and that Phobos sort of resembles Steins (hence, it is a tetrahedral spaceship). As it turns out, Steins does look a lot like a diamond, (<a href="http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMNMYO4KKF_index_0.html">ESA site on Steins</a>) although jumping from that to the assertion that it is a "spaceship" is a "big leap" for any man (again, pun intended). :D</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">I'm pretty sure you'll agree it looks more like a potato than a tetrahedral shape, as stated by Mr. Hoagland. To me, there seems to be an optical illusion of "flat edges", which is mostly caused by the craters along the edge of this photo. And there's the fact that in at least one interview, Mr. Hoagland, himself, said that Phobos looks like a "lumpy potato" (<a href="http://radio.rumormillnews.com/podcast/2010/03/16/richardhoagland-6/">interview on Rumor Mill News</a>). </span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">In fact, when Buzz Aldrin recently commented on the "monolith" on Phobos, he called Phobos, </span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">"this little potato shaped object that goes around Mars once every seven hours." (<a href="http://www.examiner.com/article/buzz-aldrin-reveals-existence-of-monolith-on-mars-moon">article on Martian monolith</a>)</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">In his usual breathless style, Mr. Richard C. Hoagland presents photos which he says show, "sculpted ... geometric ... multiply redundant(and meaningfully organized ...) DETAIL -- endless square miles of sheer, GEOMETRIC detail ... present all across this latest, stunning close-up Mars Express photograph of Phobos." Because I'm feeling generous, here's a photo which, while not being the one he presents, seems to show something similar:</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">If we let our imagination get away from us, our mind might be processing a parallel image: the Death Star. This seems like a good example of Pareidolia, just like "The Face on Mars" (which later turned out to be a mesa). What we see are striations or "grooves" along the surface of Phobos. They look kind of parallel. Here's what Mr. Hoagland says he sees when he looks at Phobos: </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">Like -- gaping, square-like "darkened loading docks" (image -- bottom right) ... or, "row after row of heavily-eroded (and thus now partially revealed ...) exposed interior, <em>parallel</em> "partitions" and "walls" ... if not entire <em>rooms</em> (image - bottom left)"</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> </span>(both in Part II)</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">If you want to see the images he is referring to, you can see the second part of his essay or follow these links to photos: <a href="http://www.enterprisemission.com/Phobos-6_7926_phobos_nadir-H-Ultra-enhanced.jpg">here</a> and <a href="http://www.enterprisemission.com/Phobos-6_7926_phobos_nadir-H-Ultra-enhanced2-cut-out-image-CL.jpg">here</a>. I don't see anything like he's talking about. If you look at some photos, your mind might conflate the image with a familiar one to science fiction fans: The Death Star. But look at this next image, which shows a lot of the same striations (grooves), but non-parallel:</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">For those Trekkies out there, Mr. Hoagland is talking straight to you. A rogue asteroid is in danger of colliding with a Federation planet and the U.S.S. Enterprise is dispatched to prevent it from wiping out all its inhabitants, except that the asteroid is also inhabited! What did Gene Roddenberry know and when did he know it? :D</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">As far as I am aware, the only finding so far about Phobos' structure is that it is about one-third empty (void). That means that two-thirds of the structure is solid material. </span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">ESA reports that there are "large voids" within Phobos, but that does not necessarily mean that there are rooms and corridors as you might expect from Star Trek vessels. It could just be naturally-occurring caverns. I do not know enough about how Phobos formed, although I am aware of the main theories, to come to conclusions. But "large voids" does not equal rooms and corridors inside an artificial Phobos spaceship.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">When it comes to the monolith on Phobos, it looks odd, but I have seen some natural rock formations that look nearly as regular as the single rock on Phobos. Truthfully, nobody knows if it is a single rock, yet. It could be several. The photos available are not good enough to tell much of anything about it, except that, from what we see, it "looks" like it "might be" rectilinear. Where is Hoagland's usual "everything anomalous anywhere is a tetrahedron" assertion? Okay, that was unfair. :)</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">But the evidence is not really in on the "monolith" yet. Blurry or pixelated images do not help us very much. Here's <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1204254/Has-mystery-Mars-Monolith-solved.html">an article</a> about the monolith from the British tabloid <i>The Daily Mail </i>(photos are there).</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Occam's razor is the principle generally used by scientists to determine what lines of inquiry are most useful. As Albert Einstein paraphrased it, "Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler." There is nothing in the evidence that shouts out, "I do not fit; Phobos <i>must be</i> artificial!"</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">To those who follow Richard C. Hoagland, it should be pretty obvious why I chose the name "Interpose Mission" for this blog. It's a pun on the name of Mr. Hoagland's website, </span><a href="http://www.enterprisemission.com/" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">"Enterprise Mission"</a><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">. The Enterprise Mission is a treasure trove of weird science conjecture without much, if any, real evidence to back any of it up. I do not claim to be a scientist. As I write this, I have a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science from the University of Guam. I will try to stay as close to good sources of information as possible, but also rely on my own reason.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">I first encountered the ideas of Richard Hoagland when my father borrowed "The Moon-Mars Connection" (a video) from the local library. In retrospect, it's kind of embarrassing to think the library would have such incorrect science, but I found its ideas intriguing and the way he presented evidence seemed compelling, to a casual observer. At this point, I have actively sought out the real science behind the phenomena that Mr. Hoagland used to back up his "oh, wow" presentations. The intention of this blog is to add to the already substantial conversations which challenge incorrect science from pseudo-scientists, such as Richard C. Hoagland, his former collaborator Mike Bara, the ancient alien crowd, etc.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">I have been a History Channel watcher for quite a while and have, consequently, seen quite a few of those "Ancient Aliens" episodes. This is really bad. It is very disappointing to see how low the History Channel has sunk (although, I think I remember seeing a lot of silly stuff on there well before Ancient Aliens started). These sort of things really get me agitated. Actually, I find it really funny, truth be told. The reason it's funny is because most of it asks big questions in the format of "Could it be..." and then you insert an off-the-wall, nonsensical hypothesis with no decent evidence behind it, then it has an inflection at the end to indicate this is a question, not a statement of fact. Then, rather than build up a case for the strange conjecture, we find more questions and few, if any, answers. "Could it be... that there is no decent evidence for any of the stuff on Ancient Aliens?" :)</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">And now I can return to the question raised by the title of this post (because, unlike some people, when there is a question, I want to try to answer it). As noted earlier, it's a neat pun, but I also mean to convey something by it, much like <a href="http://dorkmission.blogspot.com/">"The Emoluments of Mars"</a> has a message in its title, as well. By the title, I am trying to say that the mission of this blog is to interpose itself between the reader and the incorrect claims of the likes of Richard C. Hoagland and his ilk. In this first post, I am being very liberal with the first-person, which I probably will avoid in the future. But this post is talking to the reader honestly without much pretense. I have come to appreciate Dr. Phil Plait's <a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/bad_astronomy.html">"Bad Astronomy"</a>, Dr. Stuart Robbin's <a href="http://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/">"Exposing PseudoAstronomy"</a> and Expat's </span><a href="http://dorkmission.blogspot.com/" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">"The Emoluments of Mars"</a><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">. They have all made a contribution to discourse about real v. bogus science. I hope that I will also be able to help improve peoples' understanding of reality.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">By the way, there is a conspiracy: bogus science promoters seem to collude and agree on their false science and try to convince the public of an unscientific state of existence. Wouldn't it be a wonderful world if empirical facts were believed more that incredible (and I mean that literally: "not credible") hypotheses about how the world works. :D</span></div>
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